Journalists still use telephones.
I’ve had to be away from my computer since Friday, as I’ve been entertaining visitors. When I came back the last thread had been transformed out of all recognition. I thought that rather than address everything that had been said there with further comments, and in the light of further posts at The Content Makers and LP, it might be good to post anew.
Over the last few days a mysterious piece of woodwork called the “journalists versus bloggers frame” has kicked around a fair bit. What motivated my original post was, in part, a desire to trouble an idea that seemed to be doing the rounds that comparisons between bloggers and journalists were necessarily uninformative, even misleading - “out of court” as I said initially. I elaborated on this in comments in the last thread. While I don’t think it’s the only lens through which practices of blogging ought to be viewed, I think there are times in which it’s perfectly legitimate and relevant to compare the actions of bloggers and journalists. There are circumstances in which the actions of bloggers and journalists overlap sufficiently for the comparison to be informative. This is one of them.
What’s at issue is a very specific question: when is it right to publish details of someone’s identity, knowing that revealing this information may have damaging effects on the the reputation of the person concerned? This is an ethical question with implications for the practice of anyone engaged in publishing information. My answer to the question is: the appropriate time to name someone publicly is after you’ve had some solid confirmation of the person’s identity, and ideally this should be first-hand confirmation.
In the example of the Quadrant hoax, prior to confirmation, some bloggers named Katherine Wilson as the hoaxer in posts, or allowed her to be named in comments threads, or reproduced and elaborated on others’ speculation with a few careful disclaimers. In my view, the actions of these bloggers were either flagrantly unethical or disingenuously so. Had they been wrong - which was entirely possible - there could have been legal implications for some of them as well. I’m afraid I just don’t accept that a combination of Internet breadcrumbs and guesswork constitutes confirmation. And I don’t think finessing the chronology can change the fact that names were named without any solid confirmation.
As I said initially - and I’ll do it again here - journalists are trained and practiced in using very simple, cheap and accessible means for confirming things prior to publication. They ring people and ask them to confirm or scotch the rumours they have heard, and the guesses they have made. Margaret Simons has confirmed that she was called in this case when people couldn’t get Wilson’s contact details. I think bloggers could take something from this as, on the whole, they didn’t seek confirmation, and none of them picked up the phone.* Hence the comparison. By the way, I think it’s a comparison that, if heeded, has the potential to keep some bloggers out of some very hot water.
I think Margaret presents the key question with admirable succinctness in comments on the last post here:
<blockquote>But surely some comparisons between the two are valid, when both are engaged in making factual assertions about real people.</blockquote>
Pretty simple, I would have thought. So simple that attempts to avoid the comparison in this instance begin to look like sophistry.
I’m not at all persuaded by Mark’s argument that, really we need to know the motivations of bloggers before we can make this kind of observation, or make ethical recommendations. He says in comments to the last post that bloggers often don’t really see themselves as “breaking stories”, and suggests that therefore, holding them to the same standards as journalists is illegitimate. He also suggests that this is sneaking in assumptions derived from the US blogosphere. But whatever you want to call it - I’m happy with “retailing gossip” as a term if that helps - in this case they were publishing things that a wider audience didn’t yet know, about a real person, with a real life. Surely this counts as “news”.
The act of circulating news more widely entails certain responsibilities. It certainly brings with it legal responsibilities, and for mine it brings a serious ethical burden as well. That goes double for bloggers who are aware that they have a sizeable audience. In that sense, it really doesn’t matter what a blogger’s self-definition is. Their self-definition may be self-serving. (On the other side of the coin, think about how you felt when you heard about John Laws defining himself as an “entertainer” for the purposes of the “cash for comment” inquiry.) What’s at stake, rather, is weighing the possible effects of their actions.
The problem with “doing more empirical work before jumping into the pond of normative judgements” is that empirical work never ends. Mark’s perfectly happy to make normative judgements about the actions of journalists on his blog without having perfect access to their motivations and intentions. And fair enough, in my view. In researching blogging, as Mark noted elsewhere the other day, one methodological challenge is that the field of inquiry is itself dynamic. Who is blogging changes constantly, as do their reasons for blogging. Calling for more empirical work in the face of a clear-cut example like this amounts to a call to defer ethical reflection forever. The research Mark proposes - depending on how it’s framed and who’s doing it - may be intrinsically valuable, but there’s no reason to think it’s going to be of any help in deciding questions like this. And there’s no reason to think that ethical reflection is illegitimate in the absence of such information.
Similarly Margaret’s call for us to define our terms more closely could well have useful outcomes, but that won’t change the facts of this case as she outlines them in the quote above. News was published without confirmation. A better definition of “journalism” in the light of the recent expansion of the online public sphere would be fantastic, but I don’t think it would change my view on what happened in the Quadrant incident. Nor would it change my view that the bloggers who published can be compared unfavourably with the journos who attempted to check things properly.
The questions arising from all this are legion. For me, there are a few very important ones I’d ask of people who criticised my last post. If we can’t make ethical claims about specific, situated events like this, when ought we make them? If you don’t want bloggers who are publishing news to be held to the same standards as journalists, what alternative standards do you suggest? If Wilson’s identity wasn’t news, what was it?
I have to say that I’m surprised that people feel I need to be reminded that there are different kinds of blogs, doing different things. More than once I’ve been pulled up for “generalising” about the blogosphere. That’s fair enough to an extent - it’s undoubtedly true that many bloggers who discussed the hoaxer’s identity did not do so until it had been solidly confirmed by Margaret. So much the worse for those who didn’t wait. And of course, there were many other political bloggers who didn’t address the hoax at all. Still, I’d like to see research that defied my sense - taken from this and other incidents - that very few political bloggers hew to standards and methods for confirming news that are at the same level as those of run-of-the-mill journalists. In any case, I would have thought a glance at this blog’s archive would have demonstrated that I’m aware of the diversity of political blogging in Australia, as would a look at my record of publication in this area. None of this changes my view that when bloggers are publishing news, their practice overlaps sufficiently with that of journalists for comparisons to be made.
A last word on anonymity. For mine, the ugliest incidents in the short history of Australian blogging have involved those moments when the identity of those who would have preferred to remain anonymous online have been revealed without their consent. When a person is using anonymity as a screen for threats, harassment and bad behaviour, such revelations may be justified. But in those circumstances they should be justified, clearly and publicly. In some quarters, “outing” anonymous interlocutors has become a sordid kind of sport. I would have thought bloggers who were aware of this history would have been more sensitive than most around issues of anonymity, and more careful than most in revealing what they knew before it was certain. In general, I’m excited about the way in which the blogosphere has enlivened political discourse in this country, challenged a complacent media industry to do better, and assembled vibrant communities for political discussion. But the single greatest disappointment to me in this case has been the cavalier attitude displayed towards “outing” the hoaxer. Bloggers who have been around long enough should be more circumspect about doing this without good reasons, or at the very least they should have waited for better evidence.
*The creditable exception of Don Arthur’s attempt to confirm Wilson’s identity via email was noted in my original post, and in comments I made on the thread beneath it.
PS - I have to return to entertaining, this time involving travel. I’ll ask someone to monitor the thread, but I won’t be able to respond to comments until tomorrow morning.
I’ve chimed in again on the previous thread, and also have to leave now…
I don’t have a lot to add, Jason, because I very much doubt that we’re going to come any closer on these issues, but I’m still struck that you question the ethics of bloggers’ “outing” Wilson but don’t stop to question the ethics of journalists’ doing exactly the same. You can’t have it both ways, I don’t think. It’s open to you to argue, as you have been doing, that journos were more ethical in the way they went about finding and disclosing her identity but you just can’t consistently criticise bloggers for wanting to disclose her identity without similarly being critical of journalists. Perhaps you have some notion of public interest in mind, though you don’t state that. But don’t such judgements also have to be made on the specifics of each issue, if I’m correctly understanding what you’re arguing?
Brought up from the previous thread:
In some ways, I’m looking forward to journalism in its current ‘big media’ form falling over for want of marketshare, but that doesn’t mean I want blogging to take over — in fact, I can’t imagine anything much worse. Of course, some bloggers are likely to do just that, but I can’t conceive of me being one of them. Legal Eagle (my co-blogger) has written a thoughtful post on what she tries to do as a blogger — as you’d expect, it’s a very lawyerly approach. Mine is similar. I blog mainly to improve my writing skills and to try out some of the ideas in my thesis. That said, I’ve now got writing commitments as one of Oxford University’s journal editors, and the relevant pieces will have to go up on SSRN. This is pretty standard practice in academia. I will, of course, still use the blog to point at them.
I have had the odd sensation of being used as a news source, however, and since I see myself primarily as an academic, it is interesting if not always pleasant. Last year, for example, the BBC purchased one of my photographs of the anti-BNP protests outside the Oxford Union. They contacted me via Facebook (!) after seeing the graphics on my blog. This is the ‘good’ end of journalism, and one I appreciate.
However, I’ve seen (and experienced) so much journalism where no-one attempts to contact the relevant party (or me) with their speculation, or where people don’t do what the Age journos did with Wilson and take ‘no’ for an answer that I’m simply unwilling to accept that ‘doing the right thing’ is standard practice among journalists. Maybe it once was, but not in my lifetime. Occasionally journalism does something useful (and since in debates of this type Watergate is always brought up, I’ll mention it now), but ceteris paribus so much journalism is invasive, trivial and/or destructive, I won’t mind very much when it goes as a set of social practices.
Journalists contact me through my blog rofl!
I want to offer a framing of the reframing of the framing. lol Because it appears of if the blogging boosterists have got an odd conception of truth, which I think is important to address in an information economy.
The value of the information (secret identity) seems to have been backformed from the revelation of the truth of the identity. It is now true, therefore it has always been the truth, or at least full of truthiness. Well, no it hasn’t. There was a period of time whereby professional journalistic practice produced information that was of greater value compared to the information published on blogs, because of its unknowingness (yes, Rumsfield’s known knowns, etc).
The bloggers/commentators asked the question and so did the journalists, but the journalists did not publish until they had the facts of the information confirmed as the truth. The non-publication by journalists of guesswork therefore has a greater veracity than the posting of hypotheses by bloggers. The decision not to publish is an ethical one.
Hence, the value of the information produced by the journalists is an effect of their material practice, not the proximity (or not) of the facts to a non-historical or even eventual truth. Is this not metonymic of the hoax itself? Perhaps I coax a hoax more than it is worth…
This also tells me that bloggers don’t actually want to be journalists at all, but desire to represent themselves through their blogging practice as a kind of petite-spectacle. Look at me! Look at me! Not an information economy but part of the attention economy.
And in my own quasi-journalistic practice I ring everybody, and get sent emails of photos.
Pretty disappointing follow-up; no attempt to engage with alternative views just a restatement of your own view and another swipe offering “self-serving” as a reason bloggers or others might refuse the label journalist. In fact, you seem so contemptuous of the views I expressed that you can’t even bring yourself to use my name; I just get swept up in the statement, “So simple that attempts to avoid the comparison in this instance begin to look like sophistry.” Believe or not, disagreeing with you and sophistry aren’t the same thing; and you might want to think about how you treat people who bother to respond to your posts. Anyway, thanks to many for an interesting discussion.
Mark:
Is this the dreaded “journalists versus bloggers frame” rearing its ugly head?
I’m not sure how to respond to this. My point from the beginning has been that journalists and bloggers approached the story in different ways. The point isn’t a critique of the intention to “out” heretofore anonymous people, the point is to problematise publishing news without confirmation. It’s not the wanting that’s important, it’s the doing. In this instance, bloggers did it and journalists didn’t. I don’t think that even the richest account of people’s varying intentions could change this.
I think it’s equally unacceptable when journalists publish unconfirmed information. But embedded in the practice of journalism are habits and procedures - including regularised uses of technologies like telephones - that are designed to avoid this. Most of the time, these do the job. Instances where unconfirmed information is published or broadcast as fact by mainstream news media are unusual, unexpected, and rightly read as unethical.
If bloggers are dealing with news - again, whether you call it breaking stories or spreading gossip is immaterial - why should expectations be different? Many bloggers aren’t doing this all the time, many bloggers never do it, but the Wilson case shows how easily it can come up. Different treatments of the same information, resulting from different “material practices” as Charlee puts it, make comparisons legitimate and worthwhile. There’s a practical dimension to this comparison, too: Uncle Rupert might fund a journo’s defamation defence; a blogger might lose their house. Who should be taking more care with what they publish?
I still think that one might expect bloggers to be more sensitive to issues of anonymity than journalists, but that’s by the by.
Anyhow, I suspect you’re right. We’re not going to come any closer. We’re reflecting on these issues from very different perspectives.
Skepticlawyer:
I think it’s possible to distinguish instances of failure and negiligence from what’s normal, and what’s expected. I think you’re right to point to instances where journalists are unethical, and there’s absolutely no doubt they occur, but I think these occurrences are still the exception. Pick up any local or national newspaper and pretty well every news story has sourced comment with the relevant parties to the yarn, or at least explained its failure to do so.
I should make it clear: the argument I’m making is not a defence of industrial journalism. We’ve had different experiences of the way it operates, so I may be more likely than you to emphasise its continuing social value, but that’s beside the point. Really, the argument I’m making expresses an aspiration that, on those occasions when bloggers do find themselves in possession of a news story, they do the right thing. It’s also about thinking about the ethical (and legal) pitfalls that await people who don’t have the training and support that journalists do in situations where they are - for better or worse - breaking news stories.
Charlee:
I might be coaxing the hoax a bit too far too, Charlee. I’ll go with you this far: the material practices of journalists are matched to standards of proof and truth in other institutions, including the courts. It may be that our ethical and epistemological frameworks are produced by and through these institutions and practices. But in sheer practical terms, if bloggers aren’t aware of the acceptable standards, and aren’t lining up their practices with these frameworks, they’re aksing for trouble, and risk damaging other people.
gavan:
I’m sorry, gavan. I intended no personal slight. I was very much pressed for time and focussed on replying to subsequent posts on other blogs, rather than comments in the last thread. Had I more time, the post would have been more inclusive and, perhaps paradoxically, shorter. I didn’t have you in mind when I made the comments you quote. And I am grateful for your contribution to this discussion. Please don’t misread me.
I’m not asking anyone to accept any labels. I am asking people to accept the validity of the comparison between journalists and bloggers when it’s relevant - like when the two are dealing with the same piece of news, and deciding the circumstances under which they’ll reveal it to the world. If we can’t compare them then, the comparison is never relevant. My sense that this is some kind of bedrock case perhaps explains my intransigence. If I seem stubborn, it’s because I haven’t changed my mind.
Some people seem to want to rule this kind of comparison out a priori. I don’t think that’s helpful, and I think some of the arguments for it are self-serving. But I can explicitly exclude you from this comment if it helps. As far as I can tell, you’re just bored or frustrated with the frequency with which the comparison turns up. Again, I’m sorry, but I think that sometimes it’s warranted.
Thanks all.
Jason, you are of course entitled to maintain your position, but what concerns me is that you don’t appear to be taking the arguments against on their own terms but rather responding to them as if they’re points you think might be objections. For instance, my argument about the dynamic nature of the blogosphere doesn’t invalidate survey research, and that’s not what I was ever saying. I’m saying Hindman’s survey research doesn’t prove what he thinks it does because it ignores an “equipotentiality” to contribute. All survey research will be a static snapshot of a population (unless it’s part of a time series) but the likelihood is that strong findings from one survey will continue to hold good over the short to medium term even as the population changes. That’s why we don’t see sharp shifts very often in social attitudes research, for instance, and why they’re significant when they do occur. So I don’t think you’ve cogently rebutted my point about the need for empirical research, and more concerningly, I don’t recognise my arguments in the way you present them.
Anyway, I’ll leave it there, because we’re getting nowhere with this discussion (which I think is a pity) but in case you haven’t seen it, Don Arthur (who feels you’ve accused him of being unethical) has responded to your initial post at Troppo:
http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/01/18/what-if-katherine-wasnt-sharon/
Mark,
Equipotentiality, Hindman etc. is a whole other topic. I referred to your review in order to endorse your view of the complexity of the blogosphere as a field of empirical investigation. Whether or not Matthew Hindman’s approach to the phenomena of blogging is adequate is beside the point.
My comments were very specific. I’ll reiterate them. In considering situated ethical problems such as this, I think it’s a cop-out to argue that we should wait for rich data about what, for example, bloggers think they’re doing. I just don’t see this as a necessary prelude to a discussion about whether we think it’s the best and most ethical way of treating information.
You said quite clearly, I think, that we should wait for empirical data about such things before we make any normative claims. (I’m prepared to hear corrections or clarifications of that impression.) I’m not saying such empirical work like this shouldn’t take place, or that it wouldn’t be useful on its own terms, but I simply don’t see what bearing it could have on the question of whether unconfirmed information ought or ought not be published, and whether or not bloggers might benefit from thinking about ways in which journalists confirm information.
The datum that matters is: in the example under discussion, some bloggers went public with someone’s name before they had confirmed that they were correct in their information.
Youi’re right, I suspect, about us not getting anywhere. Luckily, I am getting some traction, and at least some basic points of agreement that allow discussion to take place, from other quarters.
I think that’s confusing the issue a bit, Jason, though I may be responsible for the confusion myself. What I’m saying is that comparisons between bloggers and journalists have to take into account how bloggers think of themselves - those that I know don’t think of themselves as doing something akin to journalism, and I suspect that empirical research would confirm that.
We may actually have a point of agreement here in wanting to focus on the specifics of an individual situation (and note that I haven’t taken a position as such on the ethical questions). But here I think you’re still generalising - for instance, you don’t appear to have responded to Don Arthur’s own explanation of what he thinks he’s been doing (to which I linked) in response to your argument that his behaviour was unethical. Surely that needs to be taken into account?
Oh sorry, I hadn’t seen the new post before I wrote the above!