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	<title>Comments on: Stoush-watch</title>
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	<description>researching citizen journalism</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://gatewatching.org/2008/05/20/stoush-watch/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 05:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim - thanks for visiting and thanks for your comment. I appreciate you recording your view, but I'm afraid I can't buy  very far into this one in any partisan way. 

I note that both sides are throwing around accusations of name-calling and bullying/intimidation. I agree that some minimum forms of civility are preferable to any of that, if that's what's occurring. 

I'm pretty confident though that, as John hints, all the main players in this one are able to take care of themselves, and well-practiced in online controversy. The rest of us will be interested to see whether any new light is thrown on the topic at hand as a result of this latest discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim - thanks for visiting and thanks for your comment. I appreciate you recording your view, but I&#8217;m afraid I can&#8217;t buy  very far into this one in any partisan way. </p>
<p>I note that both sides are throwing around accusations of name-calling and bullying/intimidation. I agree that some minimum forms of civility are preferable to any of that, if that&#8217;s what&#8217;s occurring. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty confident though that, as John hints, all the main players in this one are able to take care of themselves, and well-practiced in online controversy. The rest of us will be interested to see whether any new light is thrown on the topic at hand as a result of this latest discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Lambert</title>
		<link>http://gatewatching.org/2008/05/20/stoush-watch/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 03:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lively discussion can be fun, but Graham Young style name-calling isn't.

I think the vicious abuse from Young and his supporters (see the OLO comment thread) is just going to drive people away from on-line forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lively discussion can be fun, but Graham Young style name-calling isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I think the vicious abuse from Young and his supporters (see the OLO comment thread) is just going to drive people away from on-line forums.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://gatewatching.org/2008/05/20/stoush-watch/#comment-773</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John - thanks for the comment. The key thing is, I suppose, that now prominent bloggers such as yourself do have a good forum for replying on your own blogs. 

I am sorry if I've misread the tone of the discussion and have added fuel to something that's actually unpleasant for you both. 

I suppose that if you have been in a number of these things, it may get a little tiresome. Still I hope that you guys will be able to sort it out if you now have genuine grievances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John - thanks for the comment. The key thing is, I suppose, that now prominent bloggers such as yourself do have a good forum for replying on your own blogs. </p>
<p>I am sorry if I&#8217;ve misread the tone of the discussion and have added fuel to something that&#8217;s actually unpleasant for you both. </p>
<p>I suppose that if you have been in a number of these things, it may get a little tiresome. Still I hope that you guys will be able to sort it out if you now have genuine grievances.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://gatewatching.org/2008/05/20/stoush-watch/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 11:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I'm tired of this kind of thing. I wrote to Graham Young to try to persuade him to pull the article or at least tone down his attacks, but he wasn't interested. He offered a reply on OLO, but 800 words of "I am not a brownshirt" did not seem like it would make for good reading, so I went for the Godwin's law win on my own blog.

Although I'm bored with this kind of stuff, I have had plenty of practice, so I'm confident of giving as good as I get, and more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;m tired of this kind of thing. I wrote to Graham Young to try to persuade him to pull the article or at least tone down his attacks, but he wasn&#8217;t interested. He offered a reply on OLO, but 800 words of &#8220;I am not a brownshirt&#8221; did not seem like it would make for good reading, so I went for the Godwin&#8217;s law win on my own blog.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m bored with this kind of stuff, I have had plenty of practice, so I&#8217;m confident of giving as good as I get, and more.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://gatewatching.org/2008/05/20/stoush-watch/#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 05:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Editor - thanks. I think you're pretty much right in all you say there. I'll go into in more depth later on, but my only reservation is that some people might just get too intimidated the first time they're taken on, and give the game away. It's not pleasant to be targeted by certain big-name bloggers, and it can give rise to a climate of fear that some bloggers, I'm sure, struggle to get past.  

Having said that, as long as everyone  in the discussion is robust enough to handle it, I think it can be great - I think sometimes its a bit like student or grassroots politics - everyone gets to try out and sharpen their arguments and rhetoric in public. 

It's also entertaining for readers I have enjoyed being a spectator in some of your blog's stoushes with my fellow Queenslander Iain Hall, and I reckon that some unpleasantness aside, you guys &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Iain have probably had some fun, too (Though I'm aware that there is a truce of sorts now). I also like the Bolt/Boltwatch dynamic. 

Anyway, thanks for the comment, and like I said, more to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Editor - thanks. I think you&#8217;re pretty much right in all you say there. I&#8217;ll go into in more depth later on, but my only reservation is that some people might just get too intimidated the first time they&#8217;re taken on, and give the game away. It&#8217;s not pleasant to be targeted by certain big-name bloggers, and it can give rise to a climate of fear that some bloggers, I&#8217;m sure, struggle to get past.  </p>
<p>Having said that, as long as everyone  in the discussion is robust enough to handle it, I think it can be great - I think sometimes its a bit like student or grassroots politics - everyone gets to try out and sharpen their arguments and rhetoric in public. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also entertaining for readers I have enjoyed being a spectator in some of your blog&#8217;s stoushes with my fellow Queenslander Iain Hall, and I reckon that some unpleasantness aside, you guys <i>and</i> Iain have probably had some fun, too (Though I&#8217;m aware that there is a truce of sorts now). I also like the Bolt/Boltwatch dynamic. </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for the comment, and like I said, more to come.</p>
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		<title>By: The Editor</title>
		<link>http://gatewatching.org/2008/05/20/stoush-watch/#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator>The Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome, Jason. I look forward to your thoughts on blogospheric battles. I think they're a very unique part of blogging that, while they have some negatives, actually contribute something to overall debate and make blogs much more attractive and readable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome, Jason. I look forward to your thoughts on blogospheric battles. I think they&#8217;re a very unique part of blogging that, while they have some negatives, actually contribute something to overall debate and make blogs much more attractive and readable.</p>
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